Friday, December 19, 2008
I've never been on a blog before so this one was an interesting one to start with. First off, I would like to say that I really did like reading the book Night, and I learned a lot from it. I never could imagine just how horrible the conditions of the Holocaust were and reading the book gave me a better idea of it. I also liked reading the thoughts and ideas in other peoples posts and learning how much different people are. I enjoyed being able to comment and express my opinions on what others had said. I liked how some of the topics were deeper than others so they required more thought and feeling in the answers. What was hard about commenting on the posts was trying to come up different, non-fluff comments for posts that pretty much said the same things. Also, it was hard to write what I wanted without getting in trouble for being to mean. I'm very opinionated so it was tough writing what I thought without being to critical. What I did not like about this blog was that sometimes we were not allowed to write what we really wanted, which I do not think is right since this is a blog and half the time we were asked for our opinions. Sometimes we were criticized for being to mean or blunt which I do not think we should have been because we were just saying our opinions. I liked blogging better than doing a research paper. Overall there were more likes than dislikes, so it was a pretty good experience.
This project we were doing this semester was actually pretty interesting. The reason I say this is because I learned a lot about the Holocaust that I didn't know from before. After reading the Book "Night" and answering some of the questions that were asked got me thinking about a lot of things involving forgiveness, and faith among other things. It made me realize that if you have faith or even if you don't that forgiveness is one of the key things in life. I say this because people should forgive one another so that the world isn't a dark selfish chaotic place, that if you forgive someone you'll be able to live through life better and not as a dark shell.
I liked the way Mr.Neuburger had us do our assignments, I really like the blog ideas and interacting with other schools and getting a different point of view of things. It is always good to get a different point of view on things that way you can compare and work discussions that may arise.
Though the only thing I don't like about this is that you had to comment on every little thing. It got annoying after a while. Besides that I didn't think there was anything wrong with this project.
I have learned many things this semester and enjoyed much of it, but I am not sure how the Holocaust is going to help me later on if I decide to go to college. I know that the Holocaust may have just been something Mr.N wanted us to learn about but also use our English skills within all of the projects. I did not enjoy although I did learn a lot from the research paper we did at the beginning of the year. I do think that we had to write the paper a bit soon and we should have learned more about the Holocaust before writing it, for the reason that we could have put a lot more detail into the paper and would not have just tried to force things into it. I did not like reading the book "Night." I am not a big reader I know it may help us but I personally think that reading is something you should do on your own time. The last thing we have done is this blog. I really enjoyed it, and I wish we could do more things like this in all of our classes, this has probably been one of the funnest things we have done in English. I really liked talking to people outside of our class and hearing all of there opinions. I though it was cool being able to comment on other peoples post letting them know my opinion and hearing what there responses to that were. Overall I think this English class has helped me out a lot and has prepared me for college.
Studying the Holocaust in depth, as we did this semester, was kind of difficult. It is hard to learn about something so horrific. I always thought I had a good grasp on what happened, but I can't tell you how many times my jaw dropped this semester, or a tear escaped from my eye in class. The real stories of the people who went through that make it so much more real. You learn that this mass killing happened, but when you think about how we live now you kind of imagine some villain in a movie or some horror novel. Its hard to grasp that it really happened and not more than eighty years ago. I have grandparents that saw the holocaust, that are still alive today. How can something so horrible have happened so recently in history? I'd like to think I'm a part of a people that has good buried deep down, no matter how messed up their exterior is. The fact of the matter is that the Nazis cannot have good anywhere in their sadistic souls so it makes me question the people I live around. More than anything this experience has opened my eyes to see that if you are in the dark about your history, your future can seem blurry. You should learn from the mistakes of the past and know when to fight your fight.
Blogging was a great experience. This is actually not my first experience with blogging, I blog in another one of your classes and I have blogged online for a few years. I really liked that there was not really any actual pencil/pen work to do in the class, because I can type so much faster than I write!! Its a lot easier to go back and edit your work and keep everything organized when you never have to wonder what something said or think you lost it. It was also a lot easier than I would have imagined to team up with another class and do collaborations. I liked how that went, but I think that in the future we should get web cams so that instead of always doing our ideas against theirs, we could do mixed groups and really get diverse ideas and conversations going. It would be really cool to talk with these people, and actually hear their voice. I am very opinionated and this experience was one of the few times in school where people asked me, "How do YOU feel about that?" Putting your thoughts and ideas out there is an awesome thing. When someone would comment me, I thought to myself that its an amazing thing when people can connect and understand each other. Whether we all agreed or not this experience not only taught me about our past, but also how to work with people from all walks of life.
This experience throughout the semester has been amazing. I was never really interested in the Holocaust, until this class. I learned so much about the holocaust and now i know how important it was. I had actually read the book "night" once before this class and didn't really like it, never really understood it. Mr. N helped me with that, this blogging helped a lot also. I had know idea how to blog, i didn't even know what blogging was until this class lol.. I got to other students from somewhere else, there was a lot of criticizing but you learn how other people think and how they feel on the matter also. It is nice to have people you agree, and also people that you can argue your point with. It is amazing how you get to have your own opionion on everything. All and All i love this semester it was a wonderful experience that i would like to have in more classes.
Thank you Mr. Sir------Ashley
My view over this semesters assignments and activities is positive. Going over the Holocaust was a good thing for myself and many of my other classmates. The blogging taught me a lot about being nice to other people no matter how many grammatical errors they make, and with that, how to look over the errors and into the content of what is being said. The thing which touched my heart and I learned so much from was the video clip of the man on the train. This man had driven the cattle trains so often he knew exactly how to control the train so it would stop right in front of the Auschwitz sign. The only thing I would change would be the research paper. It was excruciating, especially when they had to be done the first week of school. It nearly killed us all. Although I did not like to do this paper I did learn a lot researching about it that I had never before known about the Holocaust. When we shared our power points as a class I had a greater opportunity to learn what others had learned and to expand my knowledge of this topic.
Love, Jordan Byrum
The blogging experience has been different, but interesting. At first I did not like blogging, at all. Once we got further into the assignments, blogging became more interesting. I really liked the heated discussions, and even was interested to hear the different opinions of the other kids. Even though I, as well as others, got kind of defensive of our opinions, it was what made the whole experience interesting. The specific assignments brought up alot of interesting topics like forgiveness and faith, and really made you have to think for yourself. And I really enjoyed actually having to think seriously about things that actually mattered. I have also learned alot about the Holocaust from the different perspectives of Holocaust survivors. I do wish we could do more writing assignments though. It seems to me that with the commenting our writing isn't focused on as much. I know that when I go to college next year I want to be confident of my writing techniques. With the commenting and group posts, (even though we are graded on it) we don't really get any feedback on if what we are writing is correct.
First of all, I want to note that throughout this blogging experience I have learned many things. When we first started this study of the Holocaust, I had little knowledge, but now I feel I learned quite a bit of new information. But.... there is always a but, sometimes I wonder how this is going to benefit me. I often find myself wondering how this is going to help me in college. When usually hear about a College English class, that first thing that comes to mind is research papers. This is not saying I want to write a paper, its saying that I need to learn all of the in's and outs of writing them. But to finish this post out on a positive note I want to emphasize that I have learned a lot of new information throughout this experience, in which if I was not blogging I may not of had the chance to do.
Monday, December 8, 2008
Elie should forgive the Nazis. He already has gone through hell and had so much hate towards the Nazis build up in his soul. It would be like a great weight lifted off his chest if he forgives those horrible people. The Nazis don't deserve to be forgiven by any means, they killed his whole family and Elie even had to watch his own Father slowly die. Because he went through such a horrific event and had to endure so much pain and suffering he needs to start over fresh and forgive. It's not like he has to be friends with the Nazis but he should be able to look into their eyes and say, "I forgive you." You destroyed my life, you killed my family, you took my home away from me but I want to forgive you so I can move on with my life, because this heart full of raw hatred is weighing me down." If Elie was able to do this and truly forgive them, he could leave the pain and hate behind which would enable him to prosper and progress with his life.
- Matthew 18:21-35
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
Friday, December 5, 2008
Should Elie Wiesel forgive the Nazis, or should Elie hold a grudge and keep the pain they caused in side? What is the best way to go on with life after a tragic incident like the Holocaust? Especially when you were one of the victim’s that lived through this horrific event. I believe there is room for forgiveness, but you will always remember what they did. There for how they treated you is always going to play a big role on how you would like to treat or think of them. And even if you have forgiven them you will always have hatred towards them. Also, it would take more than a day or two, to forgive them, but I think it is possible and should be done. Whether you are a Christian or believe in other faiths or none it all, I was raised Christian and taught to forgive others for there trespasses. There for I think that should go for everyone whether Christian or not, it is the polite thing to do and it will show who is the bigger man by forgiveness.
Should Elie forgive? There are many outputs on if the Jews should have forgiven the Nazis for what they did to them during the Holocaust. My thought on whether they should forgive them or not no, I don’t think that they should. What I would do in if I was in that situation, I probably would not forgive them for what they did. How could you? Here you have a group of people who have taken away a couple years of your life, starve you, humiliate you, and treat you like dirt till you didn’t believe that you were human any more. I know that I wouldn’t be able to forgive anyone for taking away a couple years of my life where I could make a difference in the world, just to have me stay in a concentration camp and rot away like an old piece of meat. I especially couldn’t forgive the Nazis if they would of taken away all of my family members away from me, and then I would not know what of happened to them, and would never see them again. So should Elie forgive the Nazis for what they did to him, and to the rest of his family and the rest of the Jews, I don’t think so.
After the holocaust the Jew’s had to decide weather to forgive the Nazi’s or not forgive them at all. Elie shouldn’t forgive the Nazi of the crime they have committed. (at least in my opinion it’s a crime) The Nazi’s killed his mom, his sister and his dad, I know if they killed my family I could never forgive them, a matter how much they begged me to forgive them. While he was at the camps he had to work long hours with out no pay if he stopped he could face the chance of the Nazi’s killing him. He had to watch not only his family die but other Jews die for no reason. Many people would forgive the Nazi’s but I don’t know how they could. The Nazi’s put the Jews through so much and killed million’s of Jews for no reason, he had to live through the pain, the suffering. Then having to watch the Nazi's kill his parents. This is why I couldn’t forgive the Nazi’s, Hitler or the people know days that don’t even believed that this has happened.
I wouldn’t approach the subject of forgiveness. Ellie shouldn’t forgive, If some were to treat me that way and lock me in a concentration camp I don’t know if I could ever bring myself to forgive any of the Nazis. The Nazis striped him of his dignity stole his faith and basically took his life for the time he was in the concentration camps. If some one took me away from my family and sent us to separate concentration camps I could never forgive anybody. If you were to think about his whole situation and what happened to him over the time period. He was taken from his home striped of his clothes and property, thrown into a room to get his head shaved basically getting dehumanized. They took his name and gave him a number. And weather or he can forgive god. Well I think I would be able to do that god had nothing to do with what the Nazis were thinking and what they did.
Should Jews forgive the Nazis for what they did or they should they not. Elie Wiesel as well as the Jews faced death during the holocaust witch is something that would be very difficult to face. He should not forgive the Nazis for all of the killings of there family’s, also the Nazis killed his mom and his father and his sister. If a group of people or other wise known as the Nazis killed your family it would just ruin your life and you would have to live with your family dead for the rest of your life. For him being a young age having to live with no family for the rest of his life would be something hard to forgive. What the Nazis did to the Jews was terrible they treated them like dirt and they pretty much brought them to hell and very few got out alive. If you put your self in their shoes and went through what they did and they killed your family would you forgive them?
The men that took his everything , his all, his life. Should he forgive the man that took his identity, tore out his heart of faith, vanished his life and family? A person can’t hold onto hate forever, it eats away the good, the part of life that ticks. So, yes he should forgive that man that let his faith burn, his family die, his heart left empty. Forgiveness is hard to give out, but time doesn’t last forever, you only get one chance to live, so forgive. Yes I feel that he should forgive the Nazis, but not only them, maybe that anger that stole his faith, that soup that never filled, or his heart that seemed he could not love, he needed to forgive himself. To meet the men face to face that took everything he had may make him feel like his heart can no longer beat or his voice would not speak, but maybe to forgive those men would let life tick and his heart beat. Life may hate them, but his heart should forgive them. All lives will go on, but forgiveness will live on for those that go on.
Elie should not forgive the Nazis for the pain and suffering they put him and the Jews through. To forgive somebody of something is to accept their apology for something they have done and the killing of nearly six million people would be very difficult to look past. The Nazis took away nearly four years of his life as well as his family, the most valuable object in his life and that’s something you can’t get back. How can you forgive somebody for that? Taking a life can never be forgiven, unless it was unintentional. A person cannot be duplicated. The only piece that’s left of the family is the ashes and the memories made before the Holocaust started. You may get your house and valuables back but never again will you have your family and friends in your life. Family means way to much to give them and up and some of the survivors would say, “You don’t know what you got till its gone.”
If I say that Elie should forgive the Nazis, I would get complaints from people who think it would be wrong to forgive such heinous, ruthless acts. If I say he should not, I would still get complaints from people who say it would be wrong not to and you are just harboring angry feelings from the past. You could kind of say it is a double-edged sword. If he forgives, then he lets down all the victims and he gives up everything people everywhere have fought against and he is no longer an advocate for his people. If he does not forgive, in a sense he is no better than the rest. Elie should not forgive. The Nazis do not deserve forgiveness. After everything that they put millions of Jews and countless others through, they are not deserving of one man's kindness and compassion. They do not deserve to be forgiven by a man who lost his whole family, most of his childhood, and his dignity because one person wanted a "superior race."
Elie went through "hell" in his passed experience in the Holocaust, should he forgive was and still is the real question. In my opinion, yes it was a horrible event that made history, but I think he should forgive what happened. To me, God would want everyone to be happy, although it was a bad time and there are second chances that should be given in the world out there. What the Nazis did to millions of people was wrong in every way, but it is all over with and we can only learn from the past. If you think about the Holocaust and learn about every event that took place in it and open your eyes a bit, you would realize that it could happen to anybody, at anytime, at anyplace. I believe that Elie should forgive what happened, he made it through the nightmare he never dreamed of and is now telling his stories to billions of people. He is changing the lives of many humans and we learn from it all. I know I have. So to complete this post I do believe that Elie should forgive what happened to him, it can happen to anyone!
I think that Elie should forgive the Nazis, even though they did unspeakable acts to him and millions of other people. Hitler is the one who started the whole Holocaust with one single idea, and he is the one who should be blamed for the whole thing. Yes, Hitler had an army to back him up, but a lot of the people in that army were too scared of him to stand up for the Jews if they even wanted to. So even if those people did do awful crimes to the Jews under Hitler’s orders, they have a reason as to why they did those things if in fact they weren’t for Hitler. Fear can make people do crazy things, and that is what a lot of people did under Hitler’s rule. Not only did the Germans who did not agree with Hitler do what Hitler asked, but a lot of Jews even gave up their religion just for a chance to stay alive. The Nazis were not the only guilty ones.
How would you feel if you were in Elie’s position at the time of the Holocaust? Elie shouldn’t forgive them because after what they did to them and how they treated them was just horrible. When they were there at the camps they faced some of the hardest torture and death related kills that would end their lives. He would be feeling like he was just another person that was hoping not to be killed and living there day by day was the worst there was at the time. Everyday he could only hope that he would be going home instead of getting killed. The torture that he had gone through and killed him inside and he could never have that feeling that he had before when he had been taken there. If you were in Elie’s shoes what would you be feeling like or have to face when he did while he was there? Would you ever forgive someone who would do that kind of pain to you? He has the right now to forgive them for what he faced and I know if I was him I wouldn't forgive them just because what was going on there.
The burning of hatred eats away inside of you, so as hard as it seems Elie needs to forgive the Nazis, the ones who killed like there was no need for any prisoners to live. Without forgiving others you hold on to the past, the guilt of not finding a solution to end the past. You are holding on to the whole past, the anger, the pain, the suffering, you are completely living in that past, making yourself have no future. Forgiving the ones who caused so much hurt, pain, sorrow, and suffering is hard to do. You have to be the one to relieve yourself from everything so you can live your life the way you want it. You must never let go of yourself. Keep the memories, even the painful ones, forgiving the Nazis from the pain and sorrow won’t solve every painful memory, but you can keep those as motivation or you can choose to forget the bad ones and not look back. Forgiving others is one of the hardest challenges that you will face, choosing to face the pain and not let the past from hell keep you from living your life is the greatest challenge of all.
Elie in his heart should forgive but never forget, because if he dwells on it life will become harder and harder. He was going through what people would call "hell on earth" for such a long period of time that in his mind he is probably doesn't want to forgive the Nazis for the pain and suffering he experienced. You have to understand in Elies eyes you can't hold on to something so hurtful forever. He will never forget the time he and his family were separated or when he was beaten and tortured, but in time he will forgive them for what happened to him. Some people would ask, "Why would he forgive the Nazis?" The answer is really you don't want to sit around day to day thinking about all that has happened, at some point in Elies life he realizes its time to let go and you can't be mad at them forever. I understand it would be hard to forgive the people that hurt you, but would it be harder to not forgive and sit there everyday remembering what you went through? Forgiveness is hard, it takes so much from a person to gather the strength to forgive someone. In the end forgiving would make life easier, never forget, but forgive.
Wednesday, December 3, 2008
Forgiveness is one of the most complex concepts to consider in this situation. On one hand forgiveness seems necessary for one to have a healthy outlook on life. To deny forgiveness and bottle up hatred can lead to depression and one being perpetually stuck in the events of the past. To forgive is to allow the individual to grow as a person, to move on. On the other hand, it would be extremely difficult to forgive those who were personally responsible for all the tragedy and hardships in one’s life, especially in Elie’s case. However, I do believe that Elie should forgive the Nazis, even though they definitely do not deserve it. Yes, what happened to him, and millions of others, was terrible, tragic, and should never have been allowed to happen in the first place, but it happened in the past and cannot be changed now. By forgiving those who have hurt him he can achieve closure, and move on with his life. Forgiveness is the key to unlocking happiness.
After the Holocaust, each of the few survivors of Nazi atrocities had to figure how to move on with their life. Furthermore, each survivor had to confront whether they should forgive or not forgive their persecutors. In your life things may happen that you are not able to let go, but if nobody forgave people for the wrongful thing they did than there would be so much hate and anger in this world. Forgiveness is not forgetting, you do not have to forget what that person has done it would make you feel a lot better in the end if you did. Forgiveness is a decision to let go of all the thoughts of revenge that you may have picked up on throughout your life. Forgiveness can reduce anger and hurt, which could help you live freer and happier in the life that you are living right now in the present. In my opinion it would be hard to be able to forgive the Nazi’s, but a lot of people have a stronger will and are able to forgive a lot easier than others could.
“Forgiveness does not change the past, but it does enlarge the future. ~Paul Boese”
Without forgiveness, there is no happiness. A person who does not forgive could continue on with their life, move on to different things, and think that they are happy, but in their heart there would always be a place of bitterness, grief, and anger; they would never truly be happy. Yes, Elie should forgive the Nazis, even though they probably do not deserve it. It is easily understandable why no one would want to forgive them, considering all the impossibly horrible things they did to innocent people. However, what is done is done, no one can go back and change what happened, and it can not be undone. Harboring anger and unforgiveness for something that can not be changed only continues to destroy a person from the inside out. The only way to stop the destruction and to heal the wound is to grant forgiveness. It is not our place to hold on to things and to judge those who have wronged us, the Lord is the one who judges and avenges the wrongs against us. Let go and let God.
One major theme of the Holocaust deals with the topic of forgiveness and raises the basic questions of whether or not to forgive the Nazis for their terrible acts of persecution. There are many different opinions that arise when people hear this question, and in a personal opinion, my belief is that OVER TIME the Jewish people almost have to forgive the Nazi people for there terrible acts. After enduring such acts and being a survivor of this terrible tragedy, living a life full of hatred afterwards would be a miserable life to have. There will be people who will not forgive the Nazi people what so ever, and will have an everlasting hatred towards the Nazi race, but by keeping this burning hatred, those people’s lives are ruined. Those people that do not release this anger and frustration are bothered for the rest of their lives. It would be absurd to think that a Jewish person could quickly forgive the Nazis, but overtime, working through all the grief and pain eventually, to be happy, they would have to release the anger and forgive the Nazi race. The Bible says it best, you must forgive people who have done you wrong, it may be very hard but you must do so.
Forgiveness is essential for humans to live in peace with one another. I believe Elie should forgive because without forgiveness, the world is nothing. By not forgiving others for the wrongs they have done you, can be a way of dwelling in the past, but forgiveness is the first step in moving on from whatever you have gone through. This process is not an easy thing to do and cannot be achieved instantly, especially for those who are survivors of the Holocaust. The things survivors of the Holocaust went through were horrific, and understandably, it would be exceedingly difficult to forgive the Nazis for all the deaths they caused. However, the only possible way for them to leave the Holocaust behind and move on with their lives would be to forgive and forget. God has a reason for all things that occur and He had a reason for the Holocaust. As humans, we may never understand the purpose of it, but we must forgive one another or the consequences will be forever living in the past.
Elie in my opinion should forgive the wrong doings of his Nazi persecutors. Forgiveness is an important role in life for people to be able to have peace and harmony in the world. However, Elie should give forgiveness because God says that all people should forgive everyone. I know that with this circumstance it would be hard to trust in God, but no matter the problem Elie should trust, forgive, and be able to move on with his life. If he does not forgive and continues to dwell in the past Elie is never going to be content with life. Forgiveness is just part of every day, without it there is never going to be anything to anybody’s life and no one would ever be happy or content with themselves or anyone else. In time, people will just have to face that God will do everything for a reason whether we like it or not. We may never understand why the hurting happens but have to trust that it is the right thing for the time and just learn to forgive and trust that in time all will be well.